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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Suggestion of singing Hitler Youth songs as a school child a defending someone who said 'Chinky' by relating it back to the 80's when he suggested it was a very common term are damming. As for Rivers of Blood speech Didn't Mr Farage said he agreed with concept of social integration for new arrivals into the UK but disagreed with Mr Powell on whether it was possible or not. Integration rather than isolation or assimilation has been mainstream policy for 60 years. Mr Powell was rightly sacked for inflaming racial tensions and was a clear turning point in UK politics.
    "Singing Hitler youth songs" is reported in the article as claims he had fascist views and shouted the songs while marching through the village. Perhaps you didn't read the article fully?

    "He disagreed with Enoch Powell" is your paraphrasing of Powell being his idol.

    We are back to the same style lf arguments you used to defend Brexit (while also saying it was a negative) and the Tories until recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epidavros:
    When someone has been punching you in the face for hours, you feel relief, not jubilation when they stop.

    Starmer and his party has a massive task ahead of him. The Tory freakshow has left the UK in such an appalling state and it will take a long time to sort out, if ever.
    Roughly half of my relatives back home were Conservative party supporters but most of them don't recognise the party now. A few voted Labour, some other parties and some didn't vote. None voted Tory. One told me she would never vote tory again because of Johnson's behaviour.
    Its fine to disagree with Labour's policies but thank goodness there is a boring, but decent man in Number 10.
    Interesting. Didn't fewer people vote for Starmer than Corbyn. That would suggest a lurch to the more right of centre Reform Party.

    The Conservative Party lost as they had no policies that would have impact on most peoples lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Interesting. Didn't fewer people vote for Starmer than Corbyn. That would suggest a lurch to the more right of centre Reform Party.

    The Conservative Party lost as they had no policies that would have impact on most peoples lives.
    Ah, so you would prefer Corbyn? You concede he would have reduced the clown show Tories to an even more pitiful state. Breathe a sigh of relief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epidavros:
    Ah, so you would prefer Corbyn?
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Epidavros:
    You concede he would have reduced the clown show Tories to an even more pitiful state.
    Corbyn led Labour was unelectable

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Interesting. Didn't fewer people vote for Starmer than Corbyn.
    Starmer won 18.8k votes, Corbyn won 24k votes even without a party machinery backing him (and practically the only non-labour seat in central London). Whatever else he offers/offered, he is certainly popular locally.

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    UK nationally 6% private school, 94% state

    Tory Cabinet 81% private, 19% state

    Labour Cabinet 8% private, 92% state (but 40% Oxbridge)

    https://news.sky.com/story/state-or-...Ov3qQh4aPG9KZA

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    What a lot focusing on Reform are missing is that the bigger hurdle to the Tories regaining power is not Reform on 15% of the vote, even though they did cost them seats. It’s the combined Labour / Lib Dem / Green / SNP / Plaid vote at 59%. The Tories are second to many more Labour or Libdems than Reform.

    The Tories are almost certainly going to lurch right to Reform territory, however if they do they have little chance of regaining those votes lost to Labour or Libdems.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we see the PR debate gain momentum in this term. And if it looks like Labour are at risk of not winning a majority for a second term, I wouldn’t be surprised if they officially backed PR at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanieskis:
    What a lot focusing on Reform are missing is that the bigger hurdle to the Tories regaining power is not Reform on 15% of the vote, even though they did cost them seats. It’s the combined Labour / Lib Dem / Green / SNP / Plaid vote at 59%. The Tories are second to many more Labour or Libdems than Reform.

    The Tories are almost certainly going to lurch right to Reform territory, however if they do they have little chance of regaining those votes lost to Labour or Libdems.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we see the PR debate gain momentum in this term. And if it looks like Labour are at risk of not winning a majority for a second term, I wouldn’t be surprised if they officially backed PR at that point.
    The conservative lurching right is the biggest risk to the UK Government. A government is only as good as its opposition

    https://www.iri.org/news/an-effectiv...he-government/

    No doubt they will and end up un-electable for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile:
    UK nationally 6% private school, 94% state

    Tory Cabinet 81% private, 19% state

    Labour Cabinet 8% private, 92% state (but 40% Oxbridge)

    https://news.sky.com/story/state-or-...Ov3qQh4aPG9KZA
    How many have had a career in the private sector is also just as important.

    Only 16.7% of the population work in the public sector but 100% of the Starmer cabinet appear to have no experience that matches 83% of the population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    How many have had a career in the private sector is also just as important.

    Only 16.7% of the population work in the public sector but 100% of the Starmer cabinet appear to have no experience that matches 83% of the population.
    Not in the cabinet, but James Timpson?

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