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    Quote Originally Posted by timklip:
    here's the story with more details for those of you making comments off the cuff

    The Standard - Hong Kong's First FREE English Newspaper
    Hmmm ok the first paragraph says

    'An investigation is underway to find out why a police constable shot dead an unarmed homeless man who attacked him with a wooden chair'

    but the homeless man was armed with a chair, Thus how could he be unarmed?

    Shoddy reporting for a start so take the rest with a pinch of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo:
    Hmmm ok the first paragraph says

    'An investigation is underway to find out why a police constable shot dead an unarmed homeless man who attacked him with a wooden chair'

    but the homeless man was armed with a chair, Thus how could he be unarmed?

    Shoddy reporting for a start so take the rest with a pinch of salt.
    Exactly what i thought.

    And how was he supposed to "move away from the attack and wait for support" when you are under attack by a man with a chair ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo:
    Hmmm ok the first paragraph says

    'An investigation is underway to find out why a police constable shot dead an unarmed homeless man who attacked him with a wooden chair'

    but the homeless man was armed with a chair, Thus how could he be unarmed?

    Shoddy reporting for a start so take the rest with a pinch of salt.
    Spot on, that was my take on it immediately and really does show exactly how much of "professional" newspaper The Standard really is.

    They then contradict this with their piece on the mobile phone footage which they says shows the man chasing the police officer and the officer shouting warnings.

    So to the Standard, which is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timklip:
    here's the story with more details for those of you making comments off the cuff

    The Standard - Hong Kong's First FREE English Newspaper

    this was NOT an emergency situation...why would the cop approach the man alone...there was evidence of the man 'shouting and changing his clothes in plain view'...would this not trigger the consideration of mental instability and warrant the attention of a group of officers?

    i think 'the best in the world' dropped the ball on this one and unfortunately someone is dead because of it...
    if The Standard is your reference, then there is nothing we can do for you....

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    I think we all know that by "unarmed" they meant "not carrying a firearm".

    He attacked the cop with a chair, people, and the cop screwed up and didn't use the pepper spray or baton to any effect, didn't grab the chair, fell over and was left with no recourse but to (perhaps rightly, at that point) shoot the bum.

    I also thought HK police travelled in pairs since one was murdered years ago.

    He dropped the ball all right, then fell over it and tried to shoot it, missed, then shot again and luckily hit it.


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    Apparently somebody filmed the whole scene....so that should tell us more


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat:
    if The Standard is your reference, then there is nothing we can do for you....
    how many other English references can YOU find this morning? my guess is ONE...and I'm not a paid online subscriber...so the Standard will have to do...no reflection on me as a person right? I'm simply providing a link to one version so that people who have no details might actually SEE a bigger picture...still up to us to form our own opinion...so what's with the snide comment? by all means post the SCMP version
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigga:
    I think we all know that by "unarmed" they meant "not carrying a firearm".
    unarmed - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

    not using or involving a weapon

    A chair can obviously be used as a weapon.

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    oh ffs....maybe the phrasing was wrong...you can be as pedantic as you want to justify your position...maybe they SHOULD have written "...who shot an unarmed man AFTER he was attacked with a chair..."

    the point is the man (apparently) wasn't waving the chair around when the officer approached him...and so was unarmed AT THAT TIME...


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    Quote Originally Posted by timklip:
    how many other English references can YOU find this morning? my guess is ONE...and I'm not a paid online subscriber...so the Standard will have to do...no reflection on me as a person right? I'm simply providing a link to one version so that people who have no details might actually SEE a bigger picture...still up to us to form our own opinion...so what's with the snide comment? by all means post the SCMP version
    My post was meant to say that the info relayed by The Standard can't be hold as the truth and just the truth....

    as for SCMP, at your service - Disclamer: "SCMP is not necessary a reference too":

    A suspected illegal immigrant who attacked a police officer with a wooden chair died in hospital last night after the constable shot him in the head at close range.

    The officer shot at the middle-aged South Asian man twice after using up his pepper spray, dropping his baton and falling to the ground during the attack on a hillside in Ho Man Tin, police said.

    The first shot missed but the second hit the man in the head. He was taken to Queen Elizabeth Hospital, where he died at 6.34pm.

    The police officer, attached to the patrol sub-unit of Hung Hom police station, suffered injuries to his arms and back. He was discharged from hospital after treatment.

    Preliminary investigations had showed the constable was justified in shooting because his life was in danger and he had exhausted all other possibilities, police said.

    But the shooting brought queries from a human rights leader and a legislator about whether the situation had called for such a level of violence.

    Police were called to the scene shortly before 1pm when a woman complained about a man urinating on the hillside opposite Lok Man Sun Chuen.

    The constable, the first officer to arrive, reached the scene by motorcycle at 12.52pm, ran up the hill alone and stopped the man for an identity check.

    The man said he did not have an identity card and attempted to leave.

    When the officer tried to intercept him, the man turned around and punched him. The constable used his pepper spray but the man picked up a wooden chair and attacked him.

    "Our officer then drew out his baton but he dropped it. He then used his pepper spray again. The spray was used up, but the man did not stop and continued to attack our officer," a police source said.

    "He was forced to step back and fell on to the ground when the man kept using the chair to beat him.

    "After the repeated warnings were ignored, the officer sitting on the ground fired two shots at close range. The first shot missed and the second shot hit the head of the suspect."

    Police said the constable had pressed the emergency button on his police walkie-talkie during the attack.

    The deputy Kowloon City district commander, Senior Superintendent Wong Chun-chin, said he believed opening fire was the only option the officer had after all other possible force had failed to stop the suspect.

    "Further inquiries will be needed to determine whether opening fire was justified. We require further inquiries," he said. "So far, the circumstances suggest that the safety of the officer was in jeopardy."

    Police said no identity document was found on the man and officers were investigating whether he had been living on the hillside.

    Black rubbish bags, a red sofa and fruit were found scattered on the ground, while four bags of items, socks, a jacket and a basketball were found hanging on a tree.

    Hong Kong Human Rights monitor director Law Yuk-kai said the case was "a bit strange" as the officer had shot the man in the head, rather than elsewhere on his body.

    Lawmaker James To Kun-sun said an officer in such a situation should think of trying to escape instead of opening fire.

    "It is not an action of a coward, but a way to protect himself without using unnecessary force," Mr To said.

    Tony Liu Kit-ming, chairman of the Hong Kong Police Inspectors Association, said police were trained to shoot at the biggest body mass of an attacker, rather than the head or limbs.

    Kowloon City district councillors said the scene of the shooting was a remote area seldom visited by nearby residents.

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