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    Man dies after being shot by policeman

    RTHK: Man dies after being shot by policeman

    The man didn't show his ID card; he attacked the policeman with a chair; the policeman used his baton and pepper spray; they didn't work so he shouted a warning, then shot the man twice, once in the head. The man later died in hospital. The police officer felt his life was in danger.

    Anyone else shocked by this?

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    Slightly surprised, mainly because the police normally seem to work in pairs. But otherwise, not really. What would you have had him do?

    The next item in the list actually worries me more in terms of the bigger picture of freedoms in Hong Kong: RTHK: FCC postpones Tibet speech

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    Pretty sad. If the cop had known how to use his baton correctly, the guy would have gone down without having to take a bullet in the head. Not the cop's fault, just a lack of training.

    In the grand scheme of things, PDLM's right. The stances the HK and Macau governments have been taking recently when it comes to democracy and free speech are a bit worrying.

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    The policeman could have retreated and called for backup. He could have shot at the legs.

    Agree about the Tibet / FCC story - not received much coverage either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by drumbrake:
    The policeman could have retreated and called for backup. He could have shot at the legs.
    I believe that it is standard of all LEA firearms training (except perhaps extreme specialist marksmen) that there is only one way to shoot, and that is to shoot to kill. You can't "shoot to wound" if you genuinely believe life is in danger (and if you don't genuinely believe life is endangered then you shouldn't be shooting at all).
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    I am not surprised by this, nor am I sympathetic.

    Police are in a position of authority, as a law abiding citizen you are required by that law to obey a directed instruction by one of it's members.


    A/ Don't attack police men/women .
    B/ Don't ignore a police officer that has drawn his /her service firearm and given a clear warning. failure to do so will end you up being shot, in this case, fatally....

    Drumbrake, you need to understand how things work here mate, and have a think why HK has such a low occurrence of crime..

    The Police here are among the best in the world, because they do deal with these idiots swiftly....

    Sensible intelligent people don't attack police officers, nor should we accept any leniency toward idiots that decide to..

    Would you rather have had the offender impale the police man, with the leg of a tubular metal framed chair through the chest, him later dying in hospital and us all reading about that in tomorrows SCMP instead ?

    Weird world that you live in , if you do, Drum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumbrake:
    The policeman could have retreated and called for backup. He could have shot at the legs.

    Agree about the Tibet / FCC story - not received much coverage either.
    We don't know what would have happened if he'd tried to back off. It's possible he would have been chased since the guy initiated the attack. Only the two of them know the real details concerning what went down since it doesn't seem like anyone else was around at the time.

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    looks now like there will be 'film at eleven' after all...mobile video of the initial moments...and the cop DID call for assistance, he just didn't wait till it arrived...i agree with jay, something is sorely lacking in the police training here if the cop can't take down a homeless man with all the tools at his disposal...


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    Quote Originally Posted by timklip:
    looks now like there will be 'film at eleven' after all...mobile video of the initial moments...and the cop DID call for assistance, he just didn't wait till it arrived...i agree with jay, something is sorely lacking in the police training here if the cop can't take down a homeless man with all the tools at his disposal...
    Read about it on the SCMP case this morning. The cop used up all his pepper spray, drew his baton, dropped it, and ended up on the ground. He drew his .38 S&W and fired twice. What they haven't reported on is where the OTHER bullet went.

    It's not like his weapon would have been snatched from his holster since the HK Police use dual or triple retention holsters--if you don't know how to draw from them, you probably won't be able to. I don't fault the cop at all, though--he stopped the attack the best way he could, and in a situation like that, you don't aim your weapon using your sights. You just fire to stop the threat. As far as the police continuum of force here goes, he was totally justified in using lethal force. If he'd had his skull battered into the ground with the chair it could have cost him his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayinhongkong:

    It's not like his weapon would have been snatched from his holster since the HK Police use dual or triple retention holsters
    Oops, I believe I was wrong about that. I think it is only the cops who carry semiautomatics (e.g., the Glock 19) who have dual/triple retention holsters.

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