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    They should destroy their own Japanese electronics in their own home instead of taking it on other people's cars.

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    Is there anything on those islands? (resources...)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat:
    Is there anything on those islands? (resources...)
    Some suggest US$6 Trillion of Oil and Gas reserves

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumbrake:
    I think Taiwan have a better claim than China!
    Taiwan do claim them, and as with mainland China, the Taiwanese anger is directed against Japan, even if it does so as a solo player. It's interesting to follow Taiwan's regional claims more generally, with the ambiguous state of their de facto sovereignty and all. Taiwan has refused to cooperate directly with PRC on this matter, but it's not exactly controversial to claim that Taiwan's participation in protesting Japan's control is a big benefit of China's. Certainly makes it harder for Japan to play its game of "pin the authoritarian".

    The Senkaku/Diaoyu dispute is probably one of the few territorial disputes that China is involved in where her claims and indignation is very understandable. Of course, with China being the new Soviet Union (i.e. The Evil Empire) and all, people shrugging of the whole matter as China being unreasonable against sweet, democratic Japan is not the least surprising. In disputes between South Korea and Japan, people seem to have a harder time figuring out who to cheer for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodraugen:
    Taiwan do claim them, and as with mainland China, the Taiwanese anger is directed against Japan, even if it does so as a solo player. It's interesting to follow Taiwan's regional claims more generally, with the ambiguous state of their de facto sovereignty and all. Taiwan has refused to cooperate directly with PRC on this matter, but it's not exactly controversial to claim that Taiwan's participation in protesting Japan's control is a big benefit of China's. Certainly makes it harder for Japan to play its game of "pin the authoritarian".

    The Senkaku/Diaoyu dispute is probably one of the few territorial disputes that China is involved in where her claims and indignation is very understandable. Of course, with China being the new Soviet Union (i.e. The Evil Empire) and all, people shrugging of the whole matter as China being unreasonable against sweet, democratic Japan is not the least surprising. In disputes between South Korea and Japan, people seem to have a harder time figuring out who to cheer for.
    All true, but the Chinese foreign ministry do not do themselves any favours when they try to counter the evil empire line.
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    I blame it on the French.

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    drumbrake: Agreed. China really knows how to add venom to its rhetoric when it comes to these issues, and when their adversary is Japan it's in a league of its own.

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    Still struggling to find many articles that either don't just report the tension or have national bias. One below is interesting but not conclusive.

    Senkaku/Diaoyu: Islands of Conflict | History Today

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    There is something missing from this discussion so far:

    1. Is the Chinese venom against Japan really targeting Japan as opposed to their domestic audience? One sure way to boost the Chinese government's credibility is to make itself look strong in front of it's own people, even if there is little in substance the government can do over the islands. The leadership will change in a few months after all.

    2. The domestic protest aren't manufactured solely by the Chinese regime. There is real and genuine anger at Japan among large section of the Chinese population. The Chinese authorities simply looked the other way when these protests were organized, while other kind of protests will be clamped down. The protest organizers take advantage of this leeway to march onto the streets.

    3. Things will quiet down after a while. There were also big anti-Japanese protests in 2005 as well. Then things got back to normal (relatively speaking) for Sino-Japanese relations. In other words, hot economic relations but cold diplomatic ties.

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    wrong thread!

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