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    I always have difficulty understanding the mentality of ethnic minorities in HK or anywhere else. Taking the Indian sub-continent citizens as an example: The vast majority arrive here, dress their traditional costumes, eat their traditional food, speak their languages, segregate themselves in communities, business lobbying, putting little to none efforts to integrate in the local culture or language, then they complain about racism and discrimination. Just don't understand, if these people are so proud of their culture and heritage, why are they here?! Why don't they just stay at their home countries where they belong? Those are just an example of the economic migrants who settle in any developed country just for the $$$ without bothering to give back to the community just by trying to integrate!


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    Quote Originally Posted by kungpaochicken:
    Like what I've analyzed in my previous post, the HK model of multi-culturalism already allows people to flourish and earn big bucks in HK without knowing how to speak a single word of the local language. Of course these chances are only reserved for people who can afford international schools, then probably you should ask those people who run international schools why do they charge that much.

    I don't know too much about the education system in the US/UK, but then I would like to ask, how do kids there that do not speak English receive their education?
    As an immigrant to Canada, I can perfectly describe my situation.

    When I came to Canada, I was put into an ESL program at my high school, which meant having classes parallel to the local kids. So instead of Grade 9 English, I had Grade 9 English ESL. The reading material was much lighter and the teacher made every effort to speak slower and to ensure that reading comprehension took place. This was done for all subjects that required reading comprehension, such as history, geography, and science, but for example in PE and Maths, I went straight in with the local kids. As my English improved, I was then slowly moved in with the local kids. First science, then geography and history, and at last English. ESL kids had an extra room that was there for them to get additional help resources. There was usually an ESL teacher on duty who was able to help with homework/reading/assignments. I transitioned through this program very quickly as I immigrated from German and had already received formal education in English. Nonetheless, this program was still helpful for me as it made the transition of joining local kids very smooth. Kids from third-world countries, ie Somalia, Eritrea, etc, usually stayed in the program for several years as they usually didn't have prior education in English. Canada does really well of integrating migrants from third world countries. Many of my friends in Toronto are of mixed marriages and many succeeded in climbing the social ladder within one single generation. Some of their parents have very poor English but their kid's English is exceptional. This is due to an exceptional ESL program.

    In 2013, crime stats in Canada reached an all-time low, which put the crime rate at a level not seen since 1969. If third-world migration were such a horrible thing, Canada wouldn't rank top in the world in many social indicators, but it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    As an immigrant to Canada, I can perfectly describe my situation.

    When I came to Canada, I was put into an ESL program at my high school, which meant having classes parallel to the local kids. So instead of Grade 9 English, I had Grade 9 English ESL. The reading material was much lighter and the teacher made every effort to speak slower and to ensure that reading comprehension took place. This was done for all subjects that required reading comprehension, such as history, geography, and science, but for example in PE and Maths, I went straight in with the local kids. As my English improved, I was then slowly moved in with the local kids. First science, then geography and history, and at last English. ESL kids had an extra room that was there for them to get additional help resources. There was usually an ESL teacher on duty who was able to help with homework/reading/assignments. I transitioned through this program very quickly as I immigrated from German and had already received formal education in English. Nonetheless, this program was still helpful for me as it made the transition of joining local kids very smooth. Kids from third-world countries, ie Somalia, Eritrea, etc, usually stayed in the program for several years as they usually didn't have prior education in English. Canada does really well of integrating migrants from third world countries. Many of my friends in Toronto are of mixed marriages and many succeeded in climbing the social ladder within one single generation. Some of their parents have very poor English but their kid's English is exceptional. This is due to an exceptional ESL program.

    In 2013, crime stats in Canada reached an all-time low, which put the crime rate at a level not seen since 1969. If third-worl migration were such a horrible thing, Canada wouldn't rank top in the world in many social indicators, but it does.
    SOME, and I do emphasise the SOME, schools here also have a similar approach with an NCS stream. It's good but it isn't the territory wide standard. It is however inclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kungpaochicken:

    I don't know too much about the education system in the US/UK, but then I would like to ask, how do kids there that do not speak English receive their education?
    The school or the state lays on special tuition to bring the non English speakers up to speed. With teachers who specialise in this.

    HONG KONG DOES NOT DO THIS. This is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKSAR:
    I always have difficulty understanding the mentality of ethnic minorities in HK or anywhere else. Taking the Indian sub-continent citizens as an example: The vast majority arrive here, dress their traditional costumes, eat their traditional food, speak their languages, segregate themselves in communities, business lobbying, putting little to none efforts to integrate in the local culture or language, then they complain about racism and discrimination. Just don't understand, if these people are so proud of their culture and heritage, why are they here?! Why don't they just stay at their home countries where they belong? Those are just an example of the economic migrants who settle in any developed country just for the $$$ without bothering to give back to the community just by trying to integrate!
    It takes two to tango. Nobody in HK offers a helping hand. Cantonese is a VERY hard language to learn. If you can't get over that barrier, what choice to you have but to rely on others from your own community for support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKSAR:
    then they complain about racism and discrimination.
    Hold on, who is complaining about racism and discrimination? I haven't seen minorities here complain about racism and discrimination. Even as we say they're underprivileged and segregated, nobody is saying they're being discriminated against. The minority issue was one of those split topics that were stirred up from one of Kungpao's comparison related but separate from the opening post itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKSAR:
    Just don't understand, if these people are so proud of their culture and heritage, why are they here?! Why don't they just stay at their home countries where they belong?

    Shri, I think this was directed towards you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKSAR:
    I always have difficulty understanding the mentality of ethnic minorities in HK or anywhere else. Taking the Indian sub-continent citizens as an example: The vast majority arrive here, dress their traditional costumes, eat their traditional food, speak their languages, segregate themselves in communities, business lobbying, putting little to none efforts to integrate in the local culture or language, then they complain about racism and discrimination. Just don't understand, if these people are so proud of their culture and heritage, why are they here?! Why don't they just stay at their home countries where they belong? Those are just an example of the economic migrants who settle in any developed country just for the $$$ without bothering to give back to the community just by trying to integrate!
    Why did Mainlanders come here in droves to seek refuge, when it was a British colony? They should have gone full English and abandoned the culture they preserved so well here (better than on the Mainland, in many cases). Why do Chiuchow and Shanghainese people look out for each other here, even after their families have been here for generations? Now that HK is part of China, why does it insist on being different? Why don't we switch to Mandarin and the RMB?
    civil_servant and Mat like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKSAR:
    I always have difficulty understanding the mentality of ethnic minorities in HK or anywhere else. Taking the Indian sub-continent citizens as an example: The vast majority arrive here, dress their traditional costumes, eat their traditional food, speak their languages, segregate themselves in communities, business lobbying, putting little to none efforts to integrate in the local culture or language, then they complain about racism and discrimination. Just don't understand, if these people are so proud of their culture and heritage, why are they here?! Why don't they just stay at their home countries where they belong? Those are just an example of the economic migrants who settle in any developed country just for the $$$ without bothering to give back to the community just by trying to integrate!
    And the (white?) expats do what?
    Shop at Oliver
    Live in the same places
    Eat western food as much as they can
    etc etc etc
    They don't complain about racism because they get $.

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    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    As an immigrant to Canada, I can perfectly describe my situation.

    When I came to Canada, I was put into an ESL program at my high school, which meant having classes parallel to the local kids. So instead of Grade 9 English, I had Grade 9 English ESL. The reading material was much lighter and the teacher made every effort to speak slower and to ensure that reading comprehension took place. This was done for all subjects that required reading comprehension, such as history, geography, and science, but for example in PE and Maths, I went straight in with the local kids. As my English improved, I was then slowly moved in with the local kids. First science, then geography and history, and at last English. ESL kids had an extra room that was there for them to get additional help resources. There was usually an ESL teacher on duty who was able to help with homework/reading/assignments. I transitioned through this program very quickly as I immigrated from German and had already received formal education in English. Nonetheless, this program was still helpful for me as it made the transition of joining local kids very smooth. Kids from third-world countries, ie Somalia, Eritrea, etc, usually stayed in the program for several years as they usually didn't have prior education in English. Canada does really well of integrating migrants from third world countries. Many of my friends in Toronto are of mixed marriages and many succeeded in climbing the social ladder within one single generation. Some of their parents have very poor English but their kid's English is exceptional. This is due to an exceptional ESL program.

    In 2013, crime stats in Canada reached an all-time low, which put the crime rate at a level not seen since 1969. If third-world migration were such a horrible thing, Canada wouldn't rank top in the world in many social indicators, but it does.
    Canada's racial divide: Confronting racism in our own backyard - The Globe and Mail

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