I include that as part of the net loss though. My point is the loss to personal freedoms and way of life, including those closures, is greater than the loss of himan life. It's a misquote, but the Benjamin Franklin (?) "a man who sacrifices freedom for safety deserves neither" quote applies here. European countries have given up everything to a fear of death. All of us will die eventually, the taboo around death is more disturbing to me than anything else. I'd rather take my risk with the virus, whatever the supposed cost, than give up personal freedoms. (Don't bank on the swift return of those freedoms in Italy or the UK either, considering the parties in power).Original Post Deleted
Yes, I have elderly loved ones fwiw. They'd be high risk for sure.